government should uplift the backward people or the oppressed one....and then there will be equality
zestyhawk40
not by giving them reservation
skylar
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I don't like the way it is executed.
shivang
@growinggirl yaa
shivang
@skylar elaborate bit more
shivang
@zestyhawk good idea but the ground reality is far far far different
zestyhawk40
for example rather than giving people reservation in educational institutions... government should work on make more schools or college so that everyone could go to those....this will provide true equality not by giving reservation or accepting some people with less marks
shivang
@growinggirl sorry but i can not agree with you on this
skylar
if in field of education in most cases of we see. cut off criteria of reserved categories is decreased with more seats in unis.... but is it really fair?
skylar
it's not fair to the candidates of gen category who equally work their ass off , burnt midnight fuel and went through more or less same mental stress just like any other peer of the same race.
shivang
@growinggirl explore the caste system entirely
skylar
for eg -cut off criteria for advance was something like this -90 percentile for gen category, 70%icle for obcs, around 60's something in mains for sc/st...it doesn't look fair from any angle.
shivang
You guys all why someone should not get reservation but do you ever wonder someone need reservation in the first place, what's the cause? I guess not
skylar
that's the point @growing girl -the ground reality. and a very sensitive topic in our country. do u think if the govt. dares to take any step in right direction, both public and opposition will leave them?
shivang
@growinggirl jis discrimination hat jaaega us din reservation bhi hat jaaega
skylar
vo din kvi ni aayega... I guess.
shivang
@growingirl but it has given chance to those people who are financially weak
zestyhawk40
i don't think discrimination will ever vanish from India
shivang
jab tak jehlo
shivang
it is poltics thing now @growinggirl
skylar
@shivang - that's the thing, now many people from the reserved categories are already uplifted.... and these guys don't need reservation... the only thing I believe the government can regulate it is my giving scholarships to the 'actually' financially weak.
shivang
I know that, and I have seen some very very rich and from upptercaste using sc, st, obc kota
skylar
sadly people will resort to faking files, if it this is how things gonna be
shivang
@growinggirl it happen in my class and who did this is my best friend :) saala haraami
shivang
The outer things can be resolved with power but what about the mentality
skylar
both are sides of same mirror.
shivang
@sgrowinggirl sorry not agreeable, it's crucial untill discrimination mindset change of Hindus(not every hindu)
shivang
@growinggirl jab tumhaare haath se koi paani lene yaa dene sa mana kar dega uske baad tumhaare vichaar jaana chahunga
shivang
I am valmiki myself so I have bit experience of what discrimination is
shivang
or jaha tak mehnat ki baat hai to vo mind to mind or aapke kisi cheez ko karne ke tareeke per depend karti hai
shivang
You still not getting my point
skylar
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both discrimination and reservation are wrong. this reservation thing was also supposed to dissolve after so called 10 yrs of upliftment.... I guess 70 yrs aren't enough... if this is the mentality of most people in India... forget abt becoming a 'vishwa guru' Or a developed nation.
shivang
yaa playing with humans too
shivang
you didn't fully understand what I said you should re- read comments
shivang
discrimination jab khatam hoga us din reservation ko hatna hi padega or hatna bhi chahiye per ab cheeze raajniti mai badal chuki hai
shivang
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isiliye mai ek kehna hai ki apne dharm ya mazhab se pahlay insaan hone ko samjho
shivang
pata hai kesa lagta jab tumhaare 80% aaye tab bhi teacher bolta ho aa gaye reservation vaale
shivang
Yee insaano ki duniya hai yaha 1 se 1 scenerio milenge dekhne ke liye
shivang
1
@skylar thanks as always 🤫
shivang
chalo is discussion yahi khatam karte hai
shivang
@zeatyhawk badiya yaar
skylar
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@shivang - ur welcm as always 🤓
joyfulbustard6
it's unnecessary this day and age
shivang
@joyfulbustard6 discussion ia already over so and if you want continue pla read and understand our whole conversation